Bye, YouTube: Why Spotify’s Moving Hit Shows to Netflix

How will the industry shift with 200k AI episodes? Or with Netflix’s $400M podcast push? How do audio and video podcasts actually stack up for attention? Find out on a new Media Roundtable: Industry Edition, sponsored by our friends at ALLCITY Network.

Dan Granger (CEO & Founder, Oxford Road) breaks down the biggest stories and their potential impacts on the industry with fellow audiophiles:

• James Cridland (Editor, Podnews & Podcast Business Journal)
• Spencer Semonson (Media Supervisor, Oxford Road)
• Todd Elbrink (Director of Strategy & Performance, Oxford Road)
• Tucker Peleuses (VP of Strategy & Insights, Oxford Road)

The team is talking: Cheap TV, Video vs. Audio Attention, and Wading Past AI Slop. Let’s dig in.

“How do we make sure that we don’t get run over, for those of us that really care about the human connection piece?”

– Dan Granger (CEO & Founder, Oxford Road)

Netflix’s $8M Question – Netflix is offering 50+ podcasts to leave YouTube for $8M. If Netflix thinks podcasts are just cheaper TV, this move makes sense. But most podcasters don’t think about themselves that way. They build audience connection in a wildly powerful and efficient way. Leaving open platforms for closed ones diminishes that power. Todd’s hot take: Podcasters looking for a fast payday should take the exit and leave the others to grow their audiences.

Attention Increases ROI – A new study found that video podcasts cost 77% more to produce than audio, but audio beats video for completion rates (66% vs 61%). Audio’s an incredibly efficient way to grab and hold attention. That said, adding a video component actually increases plays for the audio version. The TLDR for CAOs: audio and video both help your campaigns. Measurement’s going to be harder, but it’s worth it. And in the meantime, keep asking for better measurement tools to anyone who’ll listen.

Protecting Human Connection – Ashley Carman’s Podcast Business Summit encapsulated the fight for the soul of podcasting. Inception Point boasts +200k AI episodes (all without QC). Netflix hopes to entice shows to take the sure money, and creators want to stay in control and help build brands (their own and their partners). While there’s money to be made in all directions, trying to protect the heart of podcasting, the authentic human connection, is only possible from some paths. CAOs: Uncertainty creates opportunity–for your shows that work, start conversations that can deepen your partnerships. If you value the connection between your creators and their audiences, continue to invest in them, and they’ll continue to invest in you.

Want more insights from the forces shaping the industry? Tune in to the full episode by clicking the link below.

What happens when you invite AI into the Ad Infinitum hot seat?

The world’s only podcast solely dedicated to audio ads is back! Presenting Ad Infinitum Season 3, Episode 12: “Infinite Prompts.

Host Stew Redwine (Executive Creative Director, Oxford Road) welcomes Juniper GPT for a Human/AI collab session. Together, they break down Magellan AI’s July 2025 Movers & Shakers report, grading fresh podcast ads from My Mochi, Activision‘s Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3+4, Ray-Ban Meta Glasses, and JCPenney using the Audiolytics™ framework. Will Juniper’s AI algorithms concur with human judgment?

Stew and Juniper talk Tools of the Trade, Having Fun, Painting Audio Pictures, and more. Let’s dig in.

“For people in creative fields, it’s about embracing AI as a kind of creative partner. It can help you work faster and open up new possibilities, but the heart and soul of the work will still come from you.” – Juniper GPT

It’s A Tool, Not a Solution – AI tools like Juniper are game-changers because they’re readily available to everyone. But if they’re available to everyone, anything they generate can’t be a unique creative advantage. So how do you make the most of GenAI tools without sounding like everyone else? Studies show that while being heavily reliant on AI can harm your thinking, if you’re thoughtful and active in your GenAI use, you could boost your creativity.

Have Fun Making the Ads Work – Boring prompts create boring ads. But Stew’s actively playing around with Juniper–seeing what’s possible, and checking it against his internal creative compass. That’s how we get Western and Shakespearean Tony Hawk ads. That doesn’t mean those are fit to go to air, but if you’re feeling stuck for your next campaign, testing out a wildcard idea could trigger something completely original of your own.

Paint Audio Pictures – Juniper and Stew tapped the Tony Hawk and Meta Glasses spots as their winners. One winning creative element? Each ad had multiple audioscapes. A mock-PSA shifts to a high-energy skate park. A cityscape shifts to a kitchen. The ads felt bigger because they took the listener on a multi-locale journey. CAOs, with or without Juniper, as you’re crafting your audio ads think: can you tell a bigger story?

Why Brands Aren’t Spending That Extra $1B on Podcasts (Yet)

Advertisers want to spend an extra $1B in podcasting, but they’re holding back until we address the industry’s most significant issues.

This week on The Media Roundtable, we’ve assembled a powerhouse of CAOs to talk about the findings of our 2025 “What Brands Want” report.

At this summer’s CAO Summit, we learned that podcasting could be one billion dollars bigger… if brands had what they need today. After polling brand leaders on their hurdles and needs, the results are in.

Dan Granger (CEO & Founder, Oxford Road) breaks down the findings with:

• Justin Fitzpatrick (Head of Performance Marketing, Found)
• Julianna Crozier (Associate Director, Influencer Partnerships & Growth Marketing, Thrive Market)
• Will Flaherty (SVP, Growth, Ro)
• Giles Martin (EVP, Strategy, Oxford Road)

The team is talking: Closing the Measurement Gap, Beating the Clutter, Minding the Macro, and more. Let’s dig in:

“Any sort of improvement that we can make on the measurement side to prove the efficacy of our ad dollars is going to only enable us to put more and more budget into the channel.” – Justin Fitzpatrick (Head of Performance Marketing, Found)

Close the Measurement Gap – The industry’s most significant hurdle to unlocking the next billion? The lack of standardized measurement, especially between RSS and YouTube impressions. We’re pushing for the big players to give CAOs standardized tracking, but until then, we recommend a two-step HDYHAU to capture performance by channel AND show. Bonus: listeners actually want to give credit to their favorite hosts; we just need to make sure there’s a way for them to do so.

Beat the Clutter – Podcasts thrive on breakthrough authenticity. Rising ad loads and undisclosed AI voice clones threaten podcasting’s golden goose. CAOs want to protect that authentic connection between the brand and host, while maintaining an authentic host/audience connection. Creators and publishers take note: brands want to spend more for results. You can grow more with fewer, customized, and authentic ads than with skippable ad blocks. CAOs, keep asking questions about ad loads and checking the Oxford Clock.

Mind the Macro – If measurement is the first blocker for expanding budgets, then macro environment concerns (e.g. tariffs) are the second. How can CAOs and creators respond? Resonant creative messaging. Our panel doubles down on understanding their audience and how their products can help current issues. Authentic partnerships with hosts and solid measurement practices (see above) give you the certainty you need to increase budgets in uncertain times.

Want more know-how on the industry’s hurdles and solutions? Grab the full “What Brands Want” report here. And for in-depth insights, check out the full episode below: