Without a Net: Hala Taha and the Meiselas Brothers Share the Real Costs and Rewards of Independence

Independent creators have to find a way to succeed, often without a network to support them and a safety net to fall back on.. In fact, 80% of the ORBIT top-15 performing podcasts are indies. But what does it take to win on their own… and is it worth it?

Find out in an all-new Media Roundtable: Special Edition.

Direct from Podcast Movement Evolutions at SXSW, Dan Granger (CEO & Founder, Oxford Road) takes the stage with three of the hardest-working, most successful independent podcasters: Hala Taha (CEO & Founder, YAP Media, Host, Young and Profiting) and Brett and Jordy Meiselas (Co-founders, MeidasTouch Network, Hosts, The MeidasTouch Podcast).

The panelists get real about the joys and struggles of podcasting without a net. Join them as they talk: Audience Trust, Loving Crunches, True Partnerships, and more. Let’s dig in.

“The pro [of being independent] is that you have complete autonomy over your content and everything that happens, whether it’s a success or a failure, falls on you. The con is the same exact thing.” – Brett Meiselas (Co-founder, MeidasTouch Network, Host, The MeidasTouch Podcast)

Audience First – Indie podcasters don’t have guarantees from networks, they just have the trust of their audience. If they betray that trust, they don’t have a show. So, every choice our creators make has to protect that audience and their trust. While that can sound like a heavy burden, it actually clarifies the work. Indie creators just have to ask how this will help their audience. If it doesn’t help, they have the power to say no.

Start Doing Crunches – Jordy’s old boss said it best: Everybody wants a six pack. Nobody wants to do the crunches.” To excel as an indie creator, you have to be willing to do the crunches, even when it’s hard. That means getting in the weeds with your CPMs and talking to advertisers, relentlessly taking care of the audience and finding value for them, and constantly improving your ad reads. Marketers, if you find an indie creator who’s succeeding, you know they’ve been doing their crunches.

True Partners – When you have a big network, it’s easier to make a quick buck, but for Hala and the Meiselas brothers, it pays to be selective with their brands. They only partner with advertisers they believe in, who have a strong audience fit, and who succeed on the show. As with most things indie, the effort is greater, but so is the reward. That’s how shows like Hala’s can punch above their weight in profitability and impact.

For more honest insights from indies who are putting in the work and delivering for brands, you owe it to yourself to check out the full episode below.