Ad Infinitum S4E01 - Two Circles: Dallas Taylor on Podcasting, YouTube, and Creative Identity

Podcasting began with a dream and a mic, but to reach the world, they often benefited from having someone in their corner, like this week’s guest.

On a new Media Roundtable: Special Edition, Dan Granger (CEO & Founder, Oxford Road) hosts indie-creator advocate Brendan Monaghan (CEO, Libsyn, and Founder, Megaphone). Libsyn is also the founding sponsor of our Indie PaC Awards, which is an extension of their 20+ years of support for independent creators.

Join Dan and Brendan as they cover: Indie Wins, Definitions, The Creator’s Voice, and more. Let’s dig in.

“For us, it’s: how do we think about bringing revenue to [creators] and helping them fuel their dreams on the business side?” – Brendan Monaghan (CEO, Libsyn)

Indies Hit Different – Whether brands realize it or not, they have a vested interest in supporting indie creators. Why? 80% of the top shows ranked by ORBIT are independents. Indies consistently punch above their weight in regard to ROI. Marketers, if you have an out-sized indie performer in your campaign, odds are you owe Libsyn a “thank you.” And if Indies aren’t a part of your strategy, you’re leaving performers on the table.

The Definition of Independence – What makes a show independent? In part, it’s what they aren’t: no big network, no outside influence, no celebrity vehicles, no safety net. In other words, indies are creators where your support makes a vital difference. Podcasting is a fragile meritocracy where independent voices can only make an impact if they can distribute and monetize from day one. Then they’ll have a chance to find their audience.

The Voice of the Creators – There’s one play you need to steal from Brendan’s business playbook. No matter the issue, he approaches it from the mindset of his core customer, the creators. Take AI: we have 10% improvement tools for creators (transcriptions), but where’s that improvement going to come from, and can you make that tool first? Marketers, bring the voice of your customers into your most important discussions and give them what they ask for.

For more insights on independent creators and why they’re vital to marketers, check out the full episode below.

B2B marketers don’t have the luxury of choosing between building brands or boosting ROI, they need to do both. So how do you do it? You listen to this week’s special guest, who’s spent her entire career managing this delicate balancing act.

On this week’s Media Roundtable: Special Edition, Dan Granger (CEO & Founder, Oxford Road) hosts veteran CMO Laura Goldberg (CMO, Auctane, Stamps.com, ShipStation). Laura’s been everywhere, including prime time with the NFL, where she learned brand-building, to CMO roles at podcast mainstays like LegalZoom and Constant Contact.

Join Dan and Laura as they cover: The Numbers, B2B Storytime, The Arms Race, and more. Let’s dig in.

“ I want you to feel great about our brands, and that you trust them, but I also want you to transact.” – Laura Goldberg (CMO, Auctane, Stamps.com, ShipStation)

Know Thy Numbers, Love Thy Tools – Laura has two key tips for CMOs. First: know your numbers well. Whatever’s most important for the business, get in the weeds and make sure you’re tracking it. Second, embrace the tools at your disposal. The tech stack is constantly improving, so it pays to get curious about what’s out there and see how it can drive your key metrics. (Steal Laura’s idea for a Shark Tank day where vendors pitch you new tools.)

Why B2B loves Podcasts – B2B companies don’t always have a physical product, which makes podcast endorsements a dream format. Hosts can just tell customers a story that helps listeners feel what it’s like to use the product. Laura remembers the “a-ha moment” when she first heard an ad hoc story about using her product. That transformed the ad from a list of dry features to something organic, persuasive, and alive. B2B wins on podcasts because it gives listeners more time to feel the story.

Stay out of the Arms Race – Sometimes you’re the biggest company, and you can press your advantage, but most companies can’t compete in every channel. That’s why you need to know your space and look for your strategic advantage. Get sharp with your public-facing hygiene (up-to-date Wikipedia & accurate Reddit moderation), since that will drive AI search results. Turns out forced scrappiness can be a blessing in disguise.

For insights from a CMO who’s thrived in B2B through changing landscapes, check out the full episode below.

This year, America celebrates its 250th birthday. Trust in institutions is at an all-time low. AI is landing like an alien invasion. Nobody knows what’s coming or who to trust.

So, is the American idea still alive? Meritocracy, free speech, open exchange? It’s hard, but it’s alive in podcasting and creator media. The greatest canvas for the free and open exchange of ideas, with no gatekeepers, no FCC, no program directors deciding what can and cannot be said.

That’s been the spirit of this medium for more than two decades. Pirate radio for the internet age. But as the money has flowed in, consolidation has followed. Networks bought up shows, platforms locked creators into exclusive contracts, and some shows now have 20 minutes of ads per hour. Some of us came from radio. We left for a reason. Now, we’re watching parts of this industry try to rebuild the thing we escaped from.

So, we decided to do something about it.

Today, we’re announcing the first-ever Independent Podcast and Creator Awards (Indie PaC), happening at SXSW in Austin on Sunday, March 15th. The ceremony will be hosted by Killer Mike, the Grammy-winning artist, entrepreneur, and advocate for creator ownership who has built his career on the same principles of independence the awards celebrate. There’s nobody better to host this.

Libsyn (Liberated Syndication Inc.), a longtime champion of independent creators and the leading podcasting platform for both creators and advertisers, is serving as the founding sponsor.

This is the only awards ceremony exclusively for independent creators. No corporate shows. No celebrity vehicles. No platform exclusives. Jury-voted awards judged by Ashley Flowers, James Cridland, Hernan Lopez, and Gladwell Mwangi. The ORBIT Influence Awards based on real performance data. Patron Awards for the brands investing most in independents. And The Oxford Prize in Podcasting for lifetime achievement.

Nominees include Steven Bartlett, Theo Von, Lex Fridman, Tim Ferriss, Shawn Ryan, Kill Tony, and dozens more, plus breakthrough creators like Kendall Rae, CreepCast, Jomboy, and Hala Taha, who are all building real audiences from the ground up.

When we look at our ORBIT rankings, built on over $1.6 billion in campaign data, the independents consistently win. They work harder, they care more, and they deliver better value. It’s the difference between going to a local restaurant where the owner is cooking the food and hitting a fast-food drive-thru.

This is Year One. It’ll be a little gritty, but independent creators tore down the gates and proved you don’t need anyone’s permission to build an audience that trusts you. And the establishment is starting to take notice.

Today, Caitlin Huston at The Hollywood Reporter broke the exclusive on the Indie PaC Awards, recognizing this movement and the creators who are driving it.

In a year when the American Experiment feels like it’s fraying, this is where it’s working. This is the new town square.

Sunday, March 15th. Sounds Profitable Stage at Skybox on 6th. Austin, TX. 4:30 PM.

Full details are available at IndiePaC.com. Listen to the full announcement on The Media Roundtable below, and read The Hollywood Reporter’s exclusive coverage here.